Triquertas, trifoils and the 4 petals

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Permalink Reply by Nick Nomad on February 21, 2009 at 5:55pm

It wasn't going to be long until a thread like this popped up :D

I find that losing your plane in antispin will either be a wrist problem, or the plane of your arms.
Try doing it with your right wrist in slightly different postions, and keep it relaxed. Also make sure that your arm is not bending too much at any particular point. You should be able to do this against a wall without touching it.

As for the extra petal, i'm unsure. Mr. Joe may be able to help more with that one!

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Permalink Reply by Carl 'djcow111' Kirby on February 27, 2009 at 5:04pm

just practice each hand individually, and remember to slow it down so you can process what is going wrong and then correct it.

im not sure but i think i go between a 6 petal anti spin and a 3 petal, try adding a few more beats in there. also when doing more petals remember that you have to slow down your extended arm.

once you get the hang of it try turning with the trifoil


i hope that helped. i just recently got the flow for them.


ahh 1 more tip that may help. when i was trying to learn them i wasn't putting my hands together, after i was getting the hang of that i then slowly started moving my hands together.



carl

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Permalink Reply by DyamiTK on April 21, 2009 at 8:50am

What is your difference between triquertas and trifoils, for clarification?

The triquetra hybrid threads (meaning poi change which hand is on top) twice. I think the four petal antispin version of the hybrid is more then two threads but I haven't figured it out yet, so I'm not sure.

here are some good tutorials on the hybrid: youtube.com/watch?v=n3SNvnWIEmc & youtube.com/watch?v=gwKuooPwdG8

Doing Alien Jon's Continuous Assembly Pattern has helped me with the triquetra hybrid a lot: youtube.com/watch?v=ZqPQbsGU62s

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Permalink Reply by danny van espelo on May 26, 2009 at 1:59pm

with the 3 and 4 petal hybrid there is one crosspoint where the hand on top changes. and it's almost the same location in space.

for the 3 petal one it's around the 3rd petal around 135 degrees of the horizontal axel
for the 4 petal one it is around the forth petal and somewhere between 135 degrees and 180 degrees.

being able to spin slowly with your extended arm and maintaining momentum is crucial for adding petals to the antispinning arm

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Permalink Reply by Matt C on August 29, 2009 at 6:58am

Before I got the triquetra I made sure to have the 3-petal wall plane flower down really really well (with both hands, individually and at the same time). REALLY concentrate on your planes when doing this.

One way to get your spin neater on the triquetra is to keep your wrists facing each other like you are in handcuffs, and don't let them separate any further.

In the end, mastering any move comes down to practice, not getting frustrated when you hit yourself, not overthinking and over practicing, and coming back to it later.

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Permalink Reply by Alex on August 29, 2009 at 10:24pm

I too have been working at this particular class of moves and it is quite rewarding to get even one beat and a fourth of an extension. I still have trouble not rotating the poi doing the extension and going into a sort of isolated 4 beat TTN that falls apart in about 2 seconds. It is certainly one of the moves that I thought I would never get and it has taken alot of time practicing to be sure.

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Permalink Reply by Matt C on September 8, 2009 at 7:57pm

Another thing I did to practice for these moves to get the correct timing AND cross point was the following:
The timing of a triquetra (one hand 3 petal antispin, the other extension) is such that the antispin poi is doing TWO rotations (makes sense if you think about it) for every ONE full rotation that the extension poi is making. So, take the antispin hand and just hold it in the spot where they cross. Spin that poi in place, two rotations for every single rotation of the extension hand. It should look like a butterfly with one wing twice as large as the other. For four petals, practice with the antispin hand doing three rotations for every one of extension.

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Permalink Reply by Lye on September 9, 2009 at 12:23am

Can you explain the basics of how this move works... that is the TTN portion of it, that always fucked me up and I can't even get started.

Also which hand in extension is easier to start on? dominant or secondary?

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Permalink Reply by Demosthenes on September 9, 2009 at 6:02am

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Permalink Reply by Lye on September 10, 2009 at 8:24pm

Oops. Thanks=)

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